017 These Are Rebellions, Not Riots.

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Today, we talk about everything happening with the George Floyd protests that have appeared all over the country, and then move into the main topic discussing why we love Marc Lamont Hill’s framing of these as rebellions instead of riots.

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These are Rebellions, Not Riots

The main topic is inspired by an Instagram IGTV video by Marc Lamont Hill, link below, in which The Bitches talk about framing the George Floyd / Black Lives Matter protests as rebellions, not riots. This can help frame them properly so that we can stop having exhausting conversations about looting, violence, etc. If you can see these as the start of a rebellion, it puts a lot into perspective. Next week we’ll go into the concept of looting in more detail.

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Nichole [00:00:26] Hi, everyone. I’m Nichole.

Callie [00:00:28] And I’m Callie.

Nichole [00:00:30] And today we’re bitching about.

Callie [00:00:32] The fuckin rebellion happening, although I guess we’re not really gonna be bitching about the rebellion. We’re like celebrating it. Yeah, spoiler alert.

Nichole [00:00:44] Speaking of bitching, don’t think we didn’t see your comments coming in. All of you. We started late because other people log in late. It’s also because we’re temperamental artists.

Nichole [00:01:00] Both can be true, ok.

Callie [00:01:02] I know.

Callie [00:01:03] Oh, my God. Those comments. Killing me.

Nichole [00:01:07] Yes. So where the fuck do we even start?

Callie [00:01:15] I don’t know.

Nichole [00:01:16] Um, yeah, I mean, it’s been it’s been a lot.

Callie [00:01:21] It it has been a lot. Yeah. I mean, maybe we just start by like talking about kind of our overall thoughts and feelings about everything before we start getting into the nitty gritty.

Nichole [00:01:33] Yeah.

Nichole [00:01:35] So, yeah, it’s been a it’s been a roller coaster ride I think over the last week.

Nichole [00:01:41] Last time we were live streaming, I was very sad and very emotional. And then as these protests started to spread all over the country, I just really became very hopeful and very inspired.

Nichole [00:01:58] And it’s not how. It’s not how.

Nichole [00:02:03] It’s not coming out of a place of like disregarding the fact that there is an incredible amount of violence happening right now and that things are also very scary.

Nichole [00:02:11] But just to see the country and now the world start to really turn up like this, I I’ve heard from, you know, Callie and I’ve talked about, and we’ve heard from a lot of people that this just feels different.

Nichole [00:02:26] It feels like something is really happening right now. And that is really inspiring. It’s really inspiring to see people coming out and putting themselves on the line and standing up. And, you know, these protests have gotten more and more violent because of the police. And even so, they have just continued to spread. So people are going out knowing that, you know, things could get dangerous and they’re still turning up to take a stand. And that’s that’s incredible.

Callie [00:02:59] Yeah, yeah. I, I want to be sensitive to this. And the biggest thing I kind of wanted to get across when we started talking about kind of just our feelings about this whole thing was that like I think we should honor like everyone should be honoring their own feelings, like whatever it is, whether you’re like sad, whether you feel like you’re going through, like a trauma response. I think that’s all valid. Maybe you’re going through multiple things at once. You know, I, I just am really joyful. And that’s like a weird thing to say when I’m watching videos of, like, politicians openly just gaslighting us about what the police did.

Callie [00:03:46] Bill de Blasio or or, you know, or just like videos of police, like just beating the fuck out of people.

Callie [00:03:55] Like, none of that obviously makes me happy. It makes me angry. But I was talking to a couple of friends about this the other day. And honestly, the biggest struggle that I have in being an activist is trying to figure out how to counter apathy, how to counter apathy in others, how to process even myself, just mentally, how people could, like, not care or not get the urgency of things. And it’s what we’ve talked about many times before. It’s that feeling of just like living in a world that’s constantly gaslighting you, like our world is incredibly violent all the time, you know, and there’s something really validating about finally seeing it and about seeing other people that usually don’t have to experience this, like kind of have the curtain pulled back and be like, oh, shit. Like like the co- like the protesters weren’t doing anything and they just sprayed them right in the face with pepper spray or they just like all tackled some guy, you know. So obviously not happy about the police violence, but I am really happy that finally there is a rebellion. I mean, we have been our wealth and our labor and productivity has been stolen from us for so long. People are starving. 40 million people are unemployed right now. We’re seeing people in food lines like a mile long, like, I’m fucking happy that one hundred and forty something cities are like turning the fuck up like that gives me hope more than I’ve felt in years, to be honest with you.

Callie [00:05:30] So I just am really hopeful that this is going to not just fade, that this does feel really different and turn into something. You know, I was a little too young when Occupy Wall Street happened. I was still in school.

Callie [00:05:48] I was probably old enough that I should have been paying attention, I think I was in like high school, but I wasn’t I was dealing with some other shit. And so I feel like I kind of missed out on experiencing that and seeing it. And now I’m like, this could be ours. But like, even bigger.

Callie [00:06:06] And hopefully we’ll actually, like, really do some good. So. So I’m excited.

Callie [00:06:15] That feels really shitty to say. But I am like I just really am. I haven’t been sleeping. I’ve been, like, attached to Twitter for, like, literally four or five days now. And everyone’s like, you need a break, you to break. I’m like, need a break like this. This is like fuel to me right now.

Callie [00:06:32] Like, this is great. You know, it’s better than like turtle shelling that I feel like I usually I’m doing where I’m on Twitter for an hour and then I’m like, I need a four day nap.

Callie [00:06:45] Depression nap.

Nichole [00:06:48] Oof, depression naps are real.

Callie [00:06:49] Yeah.

Nichole [00:06:51] Yeah.

Nichole [00:06:51] I think that was well put. And mirrors a lot of how I was feeling. I was feeling really overwhelmed by just another example of unbelievable violence and apathy. And honestly, like psychopathy because how. And then to see the response and to see the growth. I just was like this. This is the start of something. This is the start of us actually being able to truly fight back and showing up to do it.

Callie [00:07:28] Yeah.

Nichole [00:07:28] And saying like that, this is it. No more.

Callie [00:07:31] Yeah.

Nichole [00:07:32] We’re not doing the shit anymore.

Nichole [00:07:35] And, you know, I think it’s gonna be a long fight.

Nichole [00:07:38] I do think this is the start. You know, this kind of thing can take a decade or more. But I do honestly feel, you know, I know some of the and the comments are saying, like, you’re young and this is the biggest thing in your life. But like, as we all know, I’m very mature.

Nichole [00:07:58] I’m of advanced age.

Callie [00:08:00] Girl five years older than me.

Nichole [00:08:03] Now, everyone’s gonna be mad at me.

Callie [00:08:05] Five.

Nichole [00:08:07] I thought it was six. Anyway. No but I’ll say I’m almost 40.

Nichole [00:08:14] And I honestly, this is the biggest thing that I can remember in my life. You know, at least being consciously aware of, I think it’s a huge deal. We had, you know, massive riots up in L.A.. L.A. knows how to fuckin turn up for this stuff. And there police are fucking brutal. And, um, yeah, it just reminded me of the L.A. riots in 92 or like remin- made me think to, like, look that up and kind of look into that more.

Nichole [00:08:44] And, you know, I.

Nichole [00:08:47] That was the massive deal.

Nichole [00:08:49] But I can tell you, like the last I heard, different sources were reporting that one hundred and forty cities are writing right now. And I don’t think in our lifetimes that that has happened for most of us at least. And then to also see it starting to pop off in other countries and just seeing the solidarity, at least of other countries, having Black Lives Matter marches and stuff is really, really inspiring. Well, we touched on this in a we recorded we were interviewed on Coffee with Comrades, and it’s gonna come out on June 9th. So we did touch on this in that session.

Nichole [00:09:30] But, you know, the more I learn about how things work, the more I learn about politics more and learn about foreign policy. It’s it’s really clear that we can’t. No country is ever gonna be able to truly change things for themselves as long as the U.S. is the monster that it is. So I don’t want to take from other countries that they haven’t had their own rebellions and haven’t had their own successes. But we see that so often the US imperial war machine as Callie always puts it will come swooping in and, you know, kind of overthrow the work that they’ve done and just really terrorize the citizens of any country that’s starting to move towards something that’s actually socialist or actually communist. And so I just think that, like, if we are actually able to have some kind of successful rebellion here and really, like, change the system that we live in and not reform it, but like create a new system, I, I could see in the process of doing that, the other countries will also, you know, have their own rebellions as they have been having, but maybe be able to get a bit more success or get more permanent gains with that. So I think it I think we’re all connected. You know, I just was reading about the Bolsheviks and how, like they were that that revolution was really dependent on Germany also having a revolution and then joining in. And Germany did have their own, but it was quashed very quickly and then fell to, you know, authoritarianism like. Like, the was just crushed, basically. And then that affected the Bolsheviks. So it’s I think it’s just, you know, we’re all connected. And so for us as kind of the world’s cop, which we know that we are, we’re the biggest bully around. I think if we’re able to make any gains here, then it’s just going to spread relief all over the world. And I think that then we’ll see an acceleration of of change because we’ll be able to do it kind of globally together.

Callie [00:11:46] Yeah.

Nichole [00:11:47] And maybe that’s a dream.

Nichole [00:11:49] Might not come true or might not come true in our lifetimes. But it is. It is true that, you know, we we all impact each other. But the U.S. especially tends to have a just disproportionate impact on other countries. And so I just always remember that, too, is like we’re not even just fighting for ourselves, but we’re fighting for what’s possible for other people, too.

Callie [00:12:10] Yeah, well, and I think a big reason why I am feeling so hopeful. It’s not just that so many cities have joined in, because that is a huge part of it, but it’s the fact that we have circumstance on our side right now. You know, like not only has there just been so many, like, murders of innocent people, particularly black folks by cops, but we’re like in an actual crisis and we’re headed in the very near future for other crisis-ies… Crises. Right. And so, like something is sometimes with some things like this, like people if things feel fine, then they’ll kind of go back about their life. But we kind of none of us are gonna be able to really go back to our life. Like even if this, you know, Black Lives Matter protest starts to run out of steam. We’re headed for a Great Depression. You know, like people aren’t going to be able to, like, buy food. They’re gonna be kicked out of their houses where, like the student loan crisis is just crushing millions of people in this country. We’re still dealing with an active pandemic that has definitely not even come close to being resolved. You know, and then we’re probably like not even ten years away from having to actually deal with, like, climate change. So I think there’s a lot of reasons why the pressure is going to have to, like, stay on, you know, if this were, like as pessimistic and as gross as this is gonna sound. If it were only the police killing people again, then I would maybe not be as optimistic because we know the vast majority of white people in this country like don’t really give a fuck about that. You know, they’ll they’ll tweet out once or twice, maybe if we’re lucky. Black lives matter. And then they’ll go back about their lives. But this is going to affect like everything. The moment that we’re in. And so I think there’s a lot of reasons why we’re in a really unique situation for things to kind of be sustained.

Callie [00:14:18] You know, for a rebellion to be sustained, for people to really wake up to the realities of our government, you know.

Nichole [00:14:27] Yeah. And I had heard I. I can’t verify it has a lot of stuff you just can’t verify right now. But I had heard some of their early reports had come in from like reporters and undercover cops and other people who were at these protests and like actually ended up being targeted by police violence. And were like, what the fuck is happening here? Yeah. And now, like, I was, you know, early days and now we see, like, one reporter or I think she was a journalistic photographer, like, lost her sight in one of her eyes, they’re shooting rubber bullets at people’s faces. And if you haven’t seen a rubber bullet, I just saw a picture on Twitter. I didn’t cue it up to share, but they’re like this big and like this big around. Ugh, there you go. Cameras. Like I didn’t even know because they would talk about rubber bullets like they’re nothing. Yeah, like it’s like confetti. And so someone was like, if you’ve never seen one, this is what it looks like. And they’re supposed to shoot them at the ground and then they’re supposed to bounce like lose lose velocity and bounce up and not be, you know, but they’re they’re literally you can see video after video after video. They’re shooting in people’s faces. Yeah. With all of this stuff. So they’re. Yeah. They’re just being brutal. I mean, I know some people from CNN got arrested for no reason and they had their press badges out. And, you know, I don’t know how things are in other countries, but here in the U.S., the press supposed to be like sacred. They’re supposed to have, like full protection from everything when they’re in these situations because they’re supposed to be able to neutrally documented is going on. They are not neutral, but. So, yeah, I think for a lot of them, this was like a huge fucking wakeup call to be like, holy shit. Like these cops are just literally their- you know, there’s video of this reporter and camera crew and they’re just far back. And this cop just starts shooting like he’s shooting directly into the camera. You can see him shooting them.

Nichole [00:16:46] And that and the reporters just like, what are you doing? And the guy won’t say anything. He just keeps shooting them.

Callie [00:16:52] Yeah.

Nichole [00:16:53] So I think for a lot of I am hoping for a lot of people, I’m hoping even for some cops that this is a fucking wakeup call.

Nichole [00:17:01] You know, and it might take some time, but that that has happened in a lot of rebellions that, like the military in the police, end up becoming fatigued by having to attack their own people. And just, you know, obviously the the evil machinations of what’s happening become more and more apparent to people. And they have to like, wake up. There’s so many people who brought children to peaceful protests this week. And then, you know, there’s videos of all these kids who got fucking maced and shit. And it’s like, oh, I don’t blame them because they they don’t they’re watching news that isn’t telling them what’s going on. But the thing is that like all of these protests start off peaceful for the m- maybe there’s one or two that didn’t. But like here in San Diego, I was watching video yesterday of everyone went downtown and they’re literally like sitting around doing nothing. And the cops just open up. They had snipers posted on all these buildings everywhere aiming down at the crowd. I mean, it’s it’s out of control. And so I think for a lot of, like, liberal normies who are like, you know, go on like Black Lives Matter March, you know, and probably won’t do a lot else. And who, like, brought their fucking kids and like some granola bars and didn’t think, you know, they just thought it was going to be like a day. I think that this was really fucking eye-opening. Like, this is what the fuck people experience. This is what our cops are actually like because people don’t see that side of the police when they’re not black. Yep. Right. Or they’re not very poor. And it’s like, holy shit. Like to be there and actually experience yourself that like. Yeah. They’re just fucking being violent because they don’t want us to shut down a highway or they just don’t want us to feel like we have power. And for this all to be happening over the death of a black man is like, you know, to have people come together and then see such a violent police response. They think a lot of people are putting two and two together and being like, oh, because they’re trying to advocate for black folks. These are being shut down.

Callie [00:19:11] Yeah.

Callie [00:19:12] Yeah. No. All of these behaviors are really insane. And it’s it’s crazy how comfortable we’ve gotten with it.

Callie [00:19:21] Like even those that are like radical among us, like we’re in the middle of a pandemic of a virus that specifically targets the lungs and make it hard to breathe. And we’re just watching the police tear gas people.

Callie [00:19:41] Why, for literal, no, for literally no reason like there is absolutely no, it does not maintain a peaceful protesters just lob cans of tear gas into a crowd. It’s so unnecessary, you know, and yeah, they’re shooting rubber bullets. Like, I I saw I actually watched a video of, I think that reporter who’s now permanently blind in one eye talking about what happened to her and how she wants to, like, get back out there. But the doctors are like, you are off work for six weeks, you know.

Callie [00:20:15] And um.

Nichole [00:20:16] Yeah, I heard she can’t be exposed to.

Callie [00:20:18] Yeah.

Nichole [00:20:19] The gas like tear gas or anything like that.

Callie [00:20:21] Yeah. But there was someone else too that I saw has been permanently blinded and there was a woman of color. I think she was a black woman, but I’m not a hundred percent sure who is at the La Mesa protest in San Diego.

Callie [00:20:34] And there is all this video which I didn’t share because Black Lives Matter, San Diego was saying, you know, like look like she has not given consent for everyone to share this video, but a video of her, like just blood and like fucking bullet is still in her forehead. Like, she just and people screaming bloody murder, you know, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. So it’s just I mean, how many how many examples do we need to see of protesters literally just sitting there with signs and the cop for no reason pepper spraying them in the face. They don’t get to be violent to us just because they don’t like what we’re saying or that we’re gathered. And I have I have something to tell anyone who’s feeling like, oh, peaceful protest is fine. Anything else isn’t. None of these protests are legal. So, like, just shut the fuck up, you know, like you don’t know what you’re fucking talking about. I mean, even peaceful protests are made violent by the cops. So I don’t give a fuck if there is not a single target or Arby’s standing by the end of this fucking rebellion. Like if they’re killing people, if they’re taking lives, I don’t want to hear anything about property destruction. I don’t want to hear anything about how these riots are illegal. It’s it’s asinine. It is so unbelievable that people want to talk about that and can see videos where they’re like, oh, well, they I guess they should have listened to the cops like the cops.

Callie [00:22:04] They’re not our daddies. We don’t have to listen to them just because they want us to. Especially when it’s like not doing anything, breaking the law. Like, did you guys see that video?

Callie [00:22:14] I don’t know if it’s actually in one of the things I cued up for later, but people were like standing on their porches and the cops are marching down the street enforcing a curfew. And the cops were like, get in your fucking houses. And people were just standing there on their porches, on their properties, like not on the sidewalk, not on public streets, watching the cops march down. And then you hear the cops say, light em up and the cops start shooting at the people on their porch. And people just they’re like, well, they should listen. It’s like, fuck you, bootlicker. I’m not I’m not even going to. If you really feel like we owe them our compliance, then, like, don’t ever let me catch you talking about how America is free and how we are like our military is protecting our freedom and our cops and all this bullshit, because, like, you do not want to live in a free country. If you think that, like, you owe compliance and submission to a fucking renegade law enforcement agency that thinks they can punish us just because they don’t like how we’re talking to them.

Nichole [00:23:21] Yeah, yeah.

Nichole [00:23:23] It’s like how I watch. So La Mesa, which is fairly close to where we live, had like a huge fucking you know, their their protests got really violent again because of the cops. And they they were protesting not just George Floyds murder, but also there was a local black person in La Mesa who was arrested under you know weird circumstances. So I ended up chasing down that video to watch and see what happened.

Nichole [00:23:55] And he basically was just sitting at one of the trolley stations waiting for his friend to come. And a cop started fucking with him and he wasn’t having it. And he was like talking back. And he’s like, I fucking told you my friend was gonna come.

Nichole [00:24:09] And then the whole you know, once the friend got there, he was recording the whole thing. And he’s like, my friends here, why are you fucking with me?

Nichole [00:24:16] Of course, they’re end up being like four or five cops around him. And this one fucking Karen cop, which has to be some ungodly fucking mutation that should not be allowed. But some fucking Karen cop, you know, they they end up arresting him, putting him in cuffs because the cop said he assaulted him when he was like pushing his arm away because he kept.

Nichole [00:24:40] Don’t fucking touch me because the cop is like grabbing him and like shoving him down.

Nichole [00:24:45] And this Karen cop was like, you just have to understand that, like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And and he’s like, don’t fucking talk to me like, you know what it’s like. And she was like, well, I know I don’t know exactly what it’s like, but she kept saying, like, I understand. And he was like, no, you don’t fucking understand. Don’t fucking talk to me like you understand.

Nichole [00:25:08] And his friend was so pissed. And so the friend was yelling and recording the whole thing. And then the cops were like, what are you. What’s your name?

Nichole [00:25:14] And the friend was like, you’re out of your fucking mind if you think I’m going to get involved in this shit, like jumped in his car and took off. But anyway, I shouldn’t be laughing, but I was just like that in the comments.

Nichole [00:25:29] You know, of course, most people, thankfully, were like, fuck, fuck the cops, you know, whatever.

Nichole [00:25:34] But there’s some fucking bootlickers who were like one guy who is like, that’s what you get when you disrespect the police, you know, white or black, it doesn’t matter.

Callie [00:25:46] Oh, yeah, it certainly doesn’t.

Nichole [00:25:50] Cause me that my son, I think he said, is white and he mouthed off to a cop and he got arrested like it’s just what happens when you’re disrespectful.

Nichole [00:26:00] And I, like, blew the fuck up. I was like, you fucking bootlicking piece of shit. Like, please point to me where in the Constitution it’s not allowed for us to be disrespectful. Like what? Yeah. You fucking brainwashed like monster.

Nichole [00:26:19] Like the fact that people are so comfortable with like, oh, if I don’t just do anything a cop says and like don’t get us started about fucking consent culture and this whole like a whole thing that we could do. But like you’re telling me that because someone has a uniform or a badge, I’m supposed to do whatever they say. And if I even, like, flinch or backup or do anything, then I can be arrested, I can be beat up, I can be murdered.

Nichole [00:26:48] And I know I’m saying this is a white person, so like, you know, grain of salt, but like, what the fuck?

Nichole [00:26:53] And then and the masses are just like, yeah, yeah. That’s how it is that that’s how it should be.

Callie [00:27:01] Ah. The fact that so many of us have ingrained like have internalized this deep fear and submission to like authority figures is it’s honestly this, it’s gross but it like it’s astounding to the levels that people will let it get to.

Callie [00:27:22] You know, they mean like they really do feel like, oh well if you’re disrespectful then you like you got what you had coming to you.

Callie [00:27:33] And it’s like that’s that’s not like you’re the same person that’s screaming about how no one’s gonna take your guns because you need to defend yourself against a government with tanks and drones, by the way. So, like, good luck with that. But like, OK, we’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Callie [00:27:53] Like you you think you’re going to take up arms against the government when you really think that, like, people deserve physical violence, if they’re just, like, disrespectful to cops, like whatever happened to like and again, I’m as a white person, so, like, take this with a grain of salt. But like, whatever happened to at least the veneer of like, oh, well, cops did something because they feared for their life. It’s like they don’t even pretend anymore. These people are not fearing for their lives. They’re just like, you fucking looked at me wrong or like you didn’t do what I fucking told you. It’s like, well, I didn’t have to. Like I don’t if I’m not breaking a law, then what the fuck? I mean, and honestly, it’s such bullshit, too, that people talk about like, oh, if you’re disrespectful, then that’s what you get. It’s like, oh, really? Because a bunch of like middle aged fuckin like Kerans and their bully ass husband screaming six inches away from the face of police officers without wearing mass during a pandemic because they want to go to get their fucking haircuts and they’re missing Chili’s and Applebee’s. That’s not disrespectful. But someone like quietly holding a sign, that’s what fucking set them off. OK, OK. It’s just so clear.

Callie [00:29:14] It’s like it’s just so clearly not equal. Not even like people don’t actually mean what they say.

Callie [00:29:23] You know, they talk about how like we have freedoms, but then they’re the first ones to be like, well, if you’re not fucking licking boots, then you get what you got coming to you, you know, I mean, you have people openly on Twitter being like, oh, I’m going to get my fucking gun and go like shoot some of these protesters, and it’s like you’re you’re mad that they’re upset that one of their own got murdered. So you’re gonna go mow them down? Like what? What kind of logic is that?

Nichole [00:29:57] Yeah, and you had all these white people out here faking that they were attacked by black people and then, you know, thank God for cell phones because then people will track them down, find out who they are, and then release all the videos they have of them.

Nichole [00:30:14] Like one fucking guy stepped out with a fucking crossbow and started pointing it around. And he got jumped by like 14 mostly white kids who were like, what are you doing?

Nichole [00:30:27] And just beat the shit out of them. And then trashed his car.

Callie [00:30:31] Burned his car.

Nichole [00:30:32] And in the news- burnt his car.

Callie [00:30:34] They flipped that bitch over and fucking burnt it.

Nichole [00:30:39] And then he’s on the news talking about how, like he like he was just trying to check in, like, help someone else. And then, like, two black guys jumped him. And everyone’s just, like, posting the video everywhere.

Callie [00:30:49] They got mad because I said, all lives matter. They destroyed my car. It’s like, well, no, you fucking had a crossbow.

Callie [00:30:57] Like, what in the caucacity?

Nichole [00:30:59] Right.

Callie [00:30:59] And then the fucking news, they interviewed him.

Callie [00:31:02] They didn’t fucking show the video. Like, I don’t see them talking about how this guy was actually threatening the protesters, of course.

Nichole [00:31:11] And oh.

Nichole [00:31:11] And he was saying that he came out to help protect the cops.

Callie [00:31:15] Right.

Nichole [00:31:16] The cops are in full riot gear and some of them even have tanks. Right. And this guy with a crossbow is helping them.

Callie [00:31:28] Yeah.

Nichole [00:31:29] Yeah. There were militias out like protecting, you know, fucking like targets and stuff because priorities.

Callie [00:31:37] What is it- Yeah. What is that about, like khaki cargo shorts that gives like middle aged white people, like super powers, like in their own heads, you know? Like what is it with all these fuckin like middle aged white men?

Nichole [00:31:54] It’s all in the pockets.

Nichole [00:31:56] You just feel like you’re ready for anything.

Callie [00:32:01] Until they get their ass beat and then they’re the first ones crying about it.

Callie [00:32:09] This is how I’ve been all week. Like, I’ve just honestly been laughing my ass off at any person who’s, like, deserved it. Like all these fucking counter processors and all these people being fuckin ripped apart online. I’m just like, I’m loving it.

Nichole [00:32:26] Yeah. Like, welcome to reality.

Callie [00:32:28] Yeah.

Callie [00:32:29] Yeah. All these fuckin bootlickers. I can’t.

Callie [00:32:33] No we were watching Jimmy Dore’s live stream last night and he fuckin said the word bootlicker like a hundred times in like a five minute span. And we were just messaging each other like fucken dying because he was just like screaming about bootlickers. And he was like from all sides, like their conservative bootlickers, liberal bootlickers.

Callie [00:32:53] But he’s like, you know, anyone with, like, different political ideology can follow me. And like, that’s fine. But he’s like, but fucking bootlickers get the fuck out of here.

Nichole [00:33:02] He’s like see yourself out.

Nichole [00:33:04] And I was like, yep.

Callie [00:33:06] Yeah, I fucking cosign that, 100 percent.

Nichole [00:33:10] 100 percent.

Callie [00:33:11] Yeah.

Nichole [00:33:15] Well, do we want to play any of the media we have cued up?

Nichole [00:33:18] How are we feeling?

Callie [00:33:21] I’m sorry, I just read a comment. OK, this is interesting. Like doing an episode, but then also having like.

Nichole [00:33:32] I know I’m I’m trying not to be too distracted by it, but I’m like.

Callie [00:33:35] But they but they’re giving me life. Oh, shit. I don’t know.

Callie [00:33:43] Let’s maybe not do that well. OK. Are we at a good midway point, do we think? Do you want to do do the joke and then we can come back with maybe that Marc Lamont Hill video?

Nichole [00:34:00] Yeah. I think that would be a beautiful segue. And while we play it, we can read through the comments and see if there are any we want to put up or respond to.

Nichole [00:34:08] Also, I see like a lib or a bootlicker came into our midst. I put them on time out.

Nichole [00:34:15] So we’ll see if they can come back and be nicer.

Callie [00:34:17] Oh, you did. How do you do that?

Nichole [00:34:19] You can hover.

Nichole [00:34:21] There’s the little three dot menu. And then you can either block or put in time out.

Callie [00:34:26] Gotcha. Gotcha.

Nichole [00:34:27] But if you’re still here and listening, we don’t put up with that shit. We don’t have time for it. So either shut up and listen or go away.

Callie [00:34:35] No, honestly, fucking die mad. I don’t give a fuck.

Nichole [00:34:38] Yeah. I mean, really.

Callie [00:34:40] I don’t give us a fuck about your fuckin fragile ass feelings. You’ve been screaming at people for years calling everyone else snowflakes. Y’all are the most fragile fuckin people on the planet. Die mad.

Nichole [00:34:57] Yeah.

Callie [00:34:59] I fuckin snapped.

Nichole [00:35:00] Just so you know, it’s hard to mind like while we’re doing it.

Nichole [00:35:03] So if we get a troll, just laugh at them. Yeah. And either ignore them or just pile on. I don’t give a shit.

Callie [00:35:09] Yeah.

Nichole [00:35:10] You know.

Nichole [00:35:11] We’ll we’ll do what we can, but it’s just gonna happen if we ever grow our audience. Which is the hope.

Callie [00:35:17] Yeah.

Nichole [00:35:19] Okay. So Callie.

Nichole [00:35:23] I don’t know if Rose is here. I don’t think so. But she sent me a joke that I loved. It is not on theme. So I’m sorry to disappoint everyone. But how do you make a waterbed bouncier?

Callie [00:35:40] I don’t know.

Callie [00:35:43] You’re already loving this too much.

Nichole [00:35:47] Yeah. I love how you have to process before you even say that you don’t know, like, I haven’t even said anything.

Nichole [00:35:54] OK. So how do you make a waterbed bounce here?

Callie [00:35:57] I don’t know.

Nichole [00:35:59] You add spring water to it.

Callie [00:36:08] You know, I just find it really inappropriate.

Callie [00:36:11] If you’re like telling jokes at this really dark period of time.

Nichole [00:36:16] I know I was like, oh, I shouldn’t do a joke today, but then I’m like the masses- we’ll have our own little violent riot here if I don’t do a joke on our first episode Livestream.

Callie [00:36:30] Oh, that was a terrible joke.

Nichole [00:36:33] WHAT?!

Callie [00:36:34] Yeah, it was.

Nichole [00:36:34] It was so cute.

Callie [00:36:36] No, I didn’t…

Nichole [00:36:36] It’s a bed and it’s spring water.

Nichole [00:36:42] You don’t respect the craft.

Callie [00:36:43] I love how you’ll like you’ll repeat it back to me. Like I’m like I don’t it. Like I fully get it.

Nichole [00:36:51] Clearly I just need to say it louder and slower.

Callie [00:36:54] And like three times.

Nichole [00:36:55] And you’ll get

Callie [00:36:56] Yeah.

Nichole [00:36:57] You’ll get the comedic genius.

Callie [00:36:58] Because that’s always worked for you.

Nichole [00:37:02] Well, you know, I’m a white person in the U.S. I’m just gonna keep doing the same shit over and over and things that I’ll get better results.

Callie [00:37:09] No, I just thing too, about how many times I end up hearing your jokes, because not only am I subjected to them on air, which usually means hearing them more than once because you love to repeat a punch line. But then also when I’m editing, I have to hear them again.

Nichole [00:37:26] I know. And when I’m doing transcripts, I have to hear it again.

Callie [00:37:30] Oh, true. Yeah, but you don’t hate them. So I’m, I’m.

Nichole [00:37:33] Yeah, but I have to experience the shame of your response again.

Callie [00:37:40] You love it.

Nichole [00:37:41] The soul crushing shame. I know. I can’t even not say it without cracking.

Callie [00:37:45] You love the shame. If I ever started enjoying the jokes you would be so mad at me.

Nichole [00:37:50] I’d be so over. Like in a second I’d be like, ugh.

Callie [00:38:02] OK. OK, I’m just gonna be a mess.

Nichole [00:38:09] Yeah.

Callie [00:38:11] OK. Well, what are we doing now?

Nichole [00:38:18] Um, I think we’re playing the video.

Callie [00:38:21] Okay.

Nichole [00:38:21] I’m hoping we can do that and not get, like, pinched for something.

Callie [00:38:25] Yeah.

Nichole [00:38:25] Because they feel like everyone else is playing all these videos all the time. So we’ll see for Livestream goes down then we’ll start a new one immediately.

Nichole [00:38:34] Yeah. Anyway, so there is a video that I posted on her Instagram that inspired the title of this episode and also the spirit of the the Main topic by Marc Lamont Hill. And we’ll play the video for you because we can do that now. Yeah. He just goes into why these are rebellions, not riots.

Nichole [00:38:58] And I think it’s really inspiring.

Callie [00:39:01] I don’t know that I’m ever going to be able to go back to doing an episode without people commenting, because honestly, this is so fun.

Nichole [00:39:09] See?! I told you!

Callie [00:39:10] OK. I love how you’re being all serious. And I’m like, fuckin reading comments just laughing.

Nichole [00:39:17] I know.

Callie [00:39:20] All right, let’s.

Nichole [00:39:20] Although Everett’s comment is hilarious. Corporate Callie TM.

Callie [00:39:28] All right, y’all. So we’re we’re figuring this technology out together, so, you know, with us. Yeah.

Video Interviewer [00:39:35] So I know you’ve been an advocate for social justice for some time now. First and foremost, can you just describe how your personal feeling about everything that’s happening across our country right now?

Marc Lamont Hill [00:39:48] Like many people, I’m exhausted. First string of deaths that we’ve had to witness, I think sometimes people get out on our spirit to turn on the television or scorns or media and see black person, a black person killed, harassed, etc.. Right. And that’s draining. And then see the response by law enforcement, by the state and from the White House on down can be draining as well. And now I’m watching these rebellions take place around the country. And I can relate to the pain and the stress and the trauma that these people all around the country are feeling. And at the same time, I’m also concerned about our communities, more concerned about the safety of these young people and the neighborhoods.

Video Interviewer [00:40:40] Draining is the right word to put it.

Video Interviewer [00:40:42] I mean, I know we’re all feeling it and there’s multiple aspects that every community is facing. So I know a few days ago, Doctor, and you were quoted saying these are not riots. These are rebellions. Can you expand on what exactly you meant when you said that?

Marc Lamont Hill [00:40:59] Yeah, I think when people hear the word riot, they think of, you know, random acts of violence, just random destruction, sort of like if your team wins the world championship and, you know, the fans will nuts in the streets afterwards. Right. That’s a certain kind of riot. I prefer to use the word rebellion because it speaks to the political dimension of this. It speaks to the organized nature of these rebellions and responses. It doesn’t mean that every person on the street has a playbook for. What it does mean is that you see coordinated actions in different cities that are responding to the political climate into a structure. And of course, the structure I’m talking about right now largely is the criminal justice system.

Video Interviewer [00:41:38] So what do what do you have to say to those who are criticizing those rioters who are out there in the streets, but they are burning buildings, they’re destroying property? What do you have to say to that?

Marc Lamont Hill [00:41:49] I understand they’re concerned. I understand their criticism and I understand how it could appear to be inconsistent with their goals. But I want them to go a layer deeper. It’s easy to pick on the kid that’s defacing a building or tearing down a wall, but it’s much more challenging, but rewarding to examine the systems that got him there. You know, people don’t disrupt cities as planned, a plan B or Plan C if black people were to engage in rebellion. Every time there was a social injustice, we would do nothing but rebel. But when you see it happen time and time again, with no sufficient response from the government, from the media, from educators, from the elders in the community, know all of us have to do more specifically. The state has to do more to protect our lives. And until that happens, you’re going to see these mass disruptions. So they don’t want the disruption. They should listen earlier in the process.

Video Interviewer [00:42:41] I like how you said we should take a deeper dive to the bottom level of why these people are looting and destroying buildings and giving in what you said. I think hits it right on target. Now, Dr. Hill, what do you think needs to be done to improve these relationships? I mean, that’s the reason everybody’s protesting, right, to improve these relationships with the police officers, to make some change in our communities. Break it down for us. What do you think needs today?

Marc Lamont Hill [00:43:11] Well, first, not everyone wants to to improve the relationship between police and community, someone to reimagine the role that police even play in our communities. So, for example, what do I want to call the police when when there’s a counterfeit bill? Do I want to use the prison as the primary mechanism to deal with harm that’s done? There are other ways to imagine what justice looks like that might be more humane. So part of it is we need it. We need to envision what our goal is, what our endgame is here, do what kind of world we want to live and what type of society do we want. That that’s that’s a sort of abstract question. But then as a concrete question, which is how can we get police to stop killing us? How can black and brown people not be caged so often in these prisons? And there are fundamental systemic issues we know can be dealt with to resolve that when we resolve poverty and resolve education, when we resolve housing. So much so many of the problems that are now being resolved through the prison can be resolved in healthy and productive ways. And that’s how we get these issues. We get at the structural issues. And we also right now in the short term, have oversight for police. Right now, the police police each other, but imagine civilian review boards, imagine other outside entities outside of the police that can assess what police do harm. If we can do that. We can get some.

Video Interviewer [00:44:24] Those are all really good points, Dr. Hill. Now, I know you’re a professor, so what message do you have for your own students or really any young adult who may be kind of discouraged during these times?

Marc Lamont Hill [00:44:37] I think about the three words that one of my dear friends, the historian Robin Kelley, offers the three words are: love study and struggle. All of our action here has to be animated by love. We have to be committed to a love of ourselves, love our community and a desire to build that beloved community. Talked about love looks different ways and different places. But public love is justice. Study. We need to learn history. We need to understand how how we got here. If I understand that the rebellions of 67 and the rebellions of 92 in 2014 are all connected, I can get somewhere. And then struggle. We have to be committed to work, to resist, to organize and to act in ways that give us the world that we desire. That’s what I want my students to do. I want all people to do.

Video Interviewer [00:45:23] Yeah, I think that’s the key point here is knowledge, right? Educating yourself to what’s going on and looking into that history. Because what’s how does that quote go? People are afraid of what they don’t know. Right. So I think that is the foundation. And that is such a good point you touched on. Thank you so much, Mr. Hill, for sharing your voice and sharing your insight with us.

Nichole [00:45:46] So I think that touched on a lot of what we had wanted to talk about.

Nichole [00:45:51] The main topic portion today and some things I saw kind of come up in the comment thread as we were recording earlier that, you know, it’s hard to know how to talk about looting.

Nichole [00:46:03] Right. Because that’s like a huge argument that people are having on social media of is looting productive? Is that wrong? Like, why are people doing it? Doesn’t that undercut their message? And then I just also really loved the idea that these are rebellions, not riots, because I think it completely reframes what we’re looking at here. And I think it also helps to contextualize any violence that might occur.

Nichole [00:46:32] I do have a big problem with calling property damage violence, especially against corporations, so that that’s something we can maybe dissect a little bit today. But but, you know, it essentially kind of encapsulates like what could happen during these protests, what could happen as we continue to take action and everything continues to be escalated. I think if you understand it as a rebellion, there’s there’s less arguing over these tactics. And it’s really these like, gotcha questions. Right? Like, people aren’t they don’t really want to have, like, a real conversation about looting, for instance. They just want to find a way to disconnect themselves from the movement without looking racist. Right. So. So, yeah, I just thought that this was like a cool way to frame kind of talking about the spirit of what’s happening right now and addressing some of these common arguments that have been coming up on social media and and even in the news and the reporting of this. You know, I’ve seen headline after headline of like, oh, this protest turned violent. And they’re not talking about the cops fucking shooting at people. They’re talking about people breaking windows. And it’s very complicated, which is part of what I wanted to discuss today, too, is that there’s been a lot of documented evidence that a lot of these things have been instigated by police. A lot of these things have been instigated by, you know, random kids who seem to want to just break shit. White kids, usually. White supremacists who are coming. Undercover cops. There’s this there’s a long history of, you know, law enforcement basically infiltrating movements like these and then doing stuff like breaking windows in order to justify the police then turning violent. But there’s also a larger conversation that’s being had online that like nit picking this sort of thing and trying to move blame to other parties can also detract from these movements. So it’s very complicated. I don’t know exactly how I feel about everything. I’m trying to listen. But it’s it’s very confusing because, you know, I’ll read from people like don’t focus on who caused the damage. Just support the the protesters. Support the movement. But then I’m also I am concerned and I do think it’s important to understand the ways in which law enforcement.

Nichole [00:49:18] What’s the word I’m looking for?

Nichole [00:49:20] Just all the trickery that happens, all the bullshit that goes into stuff like this. They think it is important to understand.

Nichole [00:49:28] I just for me, it adds another layer of like, wow, this is really fucking bad, right? Like baiting. Thank you, Carla. Yeah. Like baiting people. But it’s really fucking bad. Like what’s what’s happening is an even legitimate what’s happening in a lot of times, you know, is, is someone just trying to justify violence happening and also trying to justify discrediting. And I think that’s ultimately why people say, like, no matter why you need to support the movement. Because if you allow yourself to get caught up in these arguments about looting and worried about who caused what, and it’s OK if it was a cop, but it’s not OK if it was a protester, then you’re essentially doing their work for them.

Callie [00:50:15] Yeah.

Nichole [00:50:15] Right. You’re essentially allowing them to undermine the movement with their actions and divide us all. And so I just think framing it as a rebellion, it makes it easier to understand, like shit’s going to get broken. Shit’s going to burn. People are going to get hurt. You know, we we always have to talk as a movement about like our strategies and what we’re trying to do and what our goals are. But but I just think it helps to make it less. And I also, you know, we always love. Pissing off and scaring libs. So I think saying this is a fucking rebellion. It’s not a riot. It’s not a protest. It’s not a march. Like we’re fucking rebelling. It’s something that’s gonna be, like, scary to them. And they’re either gonna get on board or they’re not. But we can stop having these ridiculous arguments with, like, Biden supporters.

Callie [00:51:04] Yeah, yeah. I honestly think for me and I don’t know that this is like, correct or not.

Callie [00:51:10] It’s just where I’ve kind of found myself after, you know, doing this work for a while now and kind of seeing how much time is just wasted by people who just love to waste it. You know what I mean? And then people who don’t necessarily love to waste it but don’t really care enough to actually do anything about it. And so they end up just wasting your time anyway. You know, they’ll go back and forth with you forever. And you’re like, what was the point of all this? You know? I think the thing that I’ve come to is like I do not kind of like I’m not like a shit posty way. Like, I don’t I don’t try to come up with, like, really provocative points just to piss people off. But I also am like, it’s easier for me just to be like abolish the police, you know, like know and or things like I don’t really care about any property damage because I feel like if you start from a place like that, you end up getting caught in a lot less traps of like this whole has one because everything feels like a negotiation. Right. Anything political in this country feels like a negotiation. And so many people will like start nit picking. And it’s like it’s like, well, we always say about the Democrats, right? Like, they go to the table, like, already kind of admitting defeat. And so I’m trying not to do that in my advocacy by being like I’m not going to come to the table making any concessions that I care about a fucking target being burned, you know, especially since like it it takes a while to under to get to this place, but like. I just lost my train of thought. It takes a while to get to this place of, like, not feeling like, oh, shit like that is bad.

Callie [00:52:59] Like you start to see the true conspiracies. You know what I mean? Like, there are so many times that during this protest that the cops were the one that started the violence. The cops were actually doing some really crazy fucked up shit. And I think especially a lot of white liberals, like they really haven’t gotten there yet. Like, they don’t they don’t know or haven’t accepted that cops infiltrate movements like this, like all the fucking time, like cop like there were so many pictures that people were passing around on Twitter of a cop, like going in undercover and how there were all these ways to tell who was a cop and who wasn’t and what they were doing. And, you know, I was just seeing some comments by people being like, yeah, there’s like strategically placed back pallets of bricks and people kept posting videos where they were like, what the fuck?

Callie [00:53:51] Like, there’s no construction on this blog.

Callie [00:53:54] And all of a sudden there’s like these neatly stacked piles of bricks that don’t even match the buildings around, you know? And so I think pushing people to, like, even come to the discussion of, like, I’m not coming to you.

Callie [00:54:07] I’m not going to fall down some rabbit hole of like, what kind of property destruction is OK. Unless you’re going to come to the table by being like, I’m not going to engage in that unless we, like, resolve that people are being murdered.

Callie [00:54:22] And that means if you’re not engaging in conversation, then like, good, we’re not engaging in a conversation, you know what I mean? I just think there’s so many times that leftists get their time fucking wasted by people who like who just get a fucking kick out of it. You know, I saw a tweet that I’d been posting a lot when ever I had been seeing, like on Facebook and stuff, people posting like but please don’t like damage any property because that, like, invalidates our movement.

Callie [00:54:51] And obviously it’s easy for me just to come back and be like it doesn’t invalidate our movement. But I think this really puts it into light in a beautiful way. This is by @DiovanniLaBeija.

Callie [00:55:06] I’ll put we’ll post the picture in the fucken show notes because I’m sure I’m not pronouncing that right.

Callie [00:55:12] It says, “America literally opened up businesses during a global pandemic because they value money over public safety and the health of its citizens. Looting and destroying those same exact stores spits in the face of that oppressive and inhumane logic. Firmly grasp it.” And so I think that really helps explain. Like, we fucking destroy things all the time, you know, like we live in a country where commodities, property, capital is is put on a pedestal and lives are lost for it. So it is kind of this beautiful sense of justice of like, oh, you care more about a target than a cop being able to openly murder me. Watch me burn down your fuckin target, you know, and see how mad you get. Like, I think there is a lot of actual power in that. So it’s like, yeah, you want to live in a society where all you care about is property. Then like, we’re gonna burn down your property until you actually start, like – for legal reasons this is a joke.

Callie [00:56:13] Then we’re gonna burn down your property until you’re as mad as we are, and then we’ll stop burning your shit if you join us. You know, I mean, like, if we can’t get them to care just because, like, it’s a justice issue, then like, guess what, you don’t get to rest until we can.

Nichole [00:56:30] Yeah, well, and it’s the ultimate and last form of tone policing, right?

Callie [00:56:35] Yes.

Nichole [00:56:35] And you’re seeing a lot of these memes and collages come out of like we tried.

Callie [00:56:41] Yes, yes yes.

Nichole [00:56:42] We tried it your way. And it shows image after image after image of all the different peaceful protests that we’ve had, like kneeling at NFL games and making speeches at the Oscars and stuff like that. And it’s like every single time you told us that that was rude or it wasn’t done right and nothing changed. And so now and there is a really good article I read kind of around this topic, and it was saying, you know, like George Floyd lost his life over a fraudulent check that wasn’t even fraudulent, by the way. But so, I mean, I think almost every single highly publicized black murder has been connected to property theft or some kind of financial crime. And so it goes deep. It’s like you’re fucking killing us over this stuff. Like you were saying, you clearly prioritizes over our fucking lives. So we’re gonna burn it down. And then because we’re obsessed with daddy issues, you also. If we look at government is like a bad, abusive father, you know, if you had a dad who loved his car more than you and was awful to you and beat the shit out of you, you’d probably burn that car someday. Right. When you finally snapped. You probably fucking destroy it. So that’s what’s happening here, too. And I’m not trying to infantilize anybody. I just mean, we are a nation that is under the control of a government who is not taking care of us. And that shit’s primal. And this is how you get dad’s attention. Right? You love this thing more than me. Well, it’s gone now. Now what? You gonna listen to me now? Are you gonna believe me now? And another thing I wanted to bring up was also this. You know, this is really showing and the point of these kind of activities is to show that even with even with the fact that they’ve been fully militarized, the cops only have so much power against all of us. And we’re seeing that in protest after protest. Right. Like there’s people who have as a vegan, I shouldn’t be delighted by this, but I saw the video of the guy who stole the police horse, and I was kind of delighted. I hope the horse is OK.

Nichole [00:59:03] But, you know, like someone got away with, like, a fuckin SWAT van, like people one guy, like, went up to get a picture of a cop’s badge and the cop lake knocked his hand, his phone out of his hand.

Nichole [00:59:15] And the guy just not the cop out cold.

Callie [00:59:19] I watched that so many times.

Nichole [00:59:20] It was a beautiful all. You know, did you see the one of the.

Nichole [00:59:24] I’m sure because Jimmy kept showing it, but the there’s of female presenting person who’s tiny in this red dress. And this cop was like hitting a black woman with their bike and she just fuckin houseed the cop. Grabbed the bike, flipped them over. It was fucking amazing.

Callie [00:59:42] Yeah.

Callie [00:59:43] I’m like, what girl? How are you doing in that red dress at this protest, putting the rest of us to shame? Like she is just fucking putting up my best.

Callie [00:59:52] And I’m going to beat some ass.

Nichole [00:59:54] Oh, she had these cute little boots on too and she she was like looking good and kicking, kicking some ass.

Nichole [01:00:01] But, you know, you just see it.

Nichole [01:00:03] And there there are several cities where the cops backed down and they actually were called off because they were way outnumbered and now they’re bringing the National Guard, which is scary and it’s an escalation. And I don’t want to take any pleasure in that.

Nichole [01:00:16] But but but the point is, is that it’s showing them and it’s showing us that when you get a crowd around, even a crowd that’s not armed, there’s only so much that the police can do if the crowd is decided that they’re done Yep. And that’s why you’re seeing these insane escalations of violence out of nowhere, because the cops know that. They know that. That’s why they’re armed to the teeth. That’s why they’re able to arrest you for swearing at them. That’s why, you know, they act like fucking little babies with paper thin skin, like, oh, you’re such a big, strong person, but you can’t handle someone like telling you to fuck off.

Nichole [01:00:57] OK. What a hero, you know. And this is where, you know, this is going to fracture us as a country, but in a way that we already were fractured, you know, and it’s just going to cause us to have to deal with it, because now people are seeing it.

Nichole [01:01:17] Regular people are seeing it. The cops are knowing it. People are pushing back. There’s definitely like some major momentum right now.

Nichole [01:01:24] And, you know, I mean, they got to the fucking White House. Holy shit, y’all.

Callie [01:01:30] That was crazy.

Nichole [01:01:31] That is like I could not believe what I was seeing.

Callie [01:01:34] Yeah, I.

Nichole [01:01:35] They’ve got our president hiding in a bunker with a fuckin lights off.

Callie [01:01:42] Yeah.

Nichole [01:01:43] Anonymous is back!

Callie [01:01:46] [indecipherable] Witches are out, Batman’s wandering around these protests. The Amish.

Nichole [01:01:52] The Amish came out and they were like, I don’t know how they found out about it, but they’re like, we found out through pigeon carrier what you all are doing and we’re not okay with it.

Callie [01:02:02] No, I honestly just sidetrack us for a minute. I’m fucking living for some of the really goofy things that are like coming out of these protests. Like like you picture of the guys that stole one of those, like trains from the mall, did you see that? You know, those like fucking kid trains, you know, and those like fancy rich people malls. This group of, like grown black men stole it. And we’re driving down the street. All like, hang it out of the fuckin like little, you know, caboose or whatever and they were just fucking screaming in the comments like all of the looks on their faces. So fucking good. Also, I have to say, one of the things that I watch just about a dozen times besides the video of that fucking cop being fuck out because he tried it with the wrong person, was a girl who there was like the reporter who is talking and she’s like, yeah, we’re getting reports that the Cheesecake Factory was just looted and broken into.

Callie [01:03:16] And it’s growing all black, walking around with a fucking, like, full whole cheesecake uncover just on a plate, walking down the street.

Callie [01:03:26] And this fucking reporter was like, oh, we don’t know where she got that cheesecake from.

Callie [01:03:32] It’s like you just said two seconds ago that the fucking cheese, it was just like it was so good. I just could.

Nichole [01:03:39] Those cheesecakes are dense, too.

Callie [01:03:41] You know? I mean, it was just like the fucking comedy.

Callie [01:03:43] I’ve seen her just like walked like protesters over. I got my full ass cheesecake.

Nichole [01:03:50] She’s like party at my place. Where your masks.

Callie [01:03:54] And the reporter just being like this is how fucking dumb our media has gotten.

Callie [01:03:59] They feel like they can’t say anything because it needs to be like neutral and like unbiased in that they can’t make too many, like, jumped to conclusions.

Callie [01:04:09] And so this person really was like, oh, they just looted the Cheesecake Factory.

Callie [01:04:14] Oh, look at those girls walking on the street with a cheesecake. Where did you get that from? It’s like.

Nichole [01:04:21] Real cutting edge reporting.

Callie [01:04:23] They just said- where do you think she got it from? No, she brought it from her home. She fucking carried that bitch with her all day long.

Nichole [01:04:30] It’s an unrelated cheesecake.

Callie [01:04:32] I was fucking dying, but yeah, no, all the videos of the cops just getting their asses handed to them were like it’s like in an old school video game. We were getting these, like, power ups, you know?

Callie [01:04:45] And I felt like every time I watch those videos, it’s like restoring a piece of my soul that I’ve lost over the last five years.

Nichole [01:04:54] It’s too real. Oh, yeah.

Nichole [01:04:58] No, it was very amusing to me as a as a more mature person to watch all the little.

Callie [01:05:06] You did not get to do that twice in one episode!

Nichole [01:05:10] Bitch, I did it! I’m wearing lipstick today.

Nichole [01:05:12] I get to do whatever I want.

Nichole [01:05:15] I also look I look like a vampire because I haven’t figured out my lights yet so I get to do it. No, but seriously, like watching all these, like baby Gen-Z years try to process like.

Callie [01:05:29] Oof.

Nichole [01:05:30] Like someone said of the anonymous video, they’re like, I don’t know who this anonymous is, but this is iconic.

Nichole [01:05:36] Like, Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. But yeah, it is iconic.

Callie [01:05:43] No. I literally I was messaging you.

Callie [01:05:45] I was like I kind of thought anonymous was like an urban legend, like I do remember hearing about them like, you know. But I kind of thought like maybe it wasn’t I had no fucking idea. And they did enough around, like, they fucking came. They made their announcement video and then fucking shut down the cops web site and the city of Minneapolis Web site, like, immediately.

Nichole [01:06:07] And then released the cops-

Callie [01:06:09] Oh, sorry.

Nichole [01:06:09] Their log in information was leaked. They went after the royal family. They went after Donald Trump. Naomi Campbell has been named in some documents.

Nichole [01:06:19] Like all of these celebrities, I think I’m even forgetting here.

Callie [01:06:24] Didn’t you say they released something that proved that the royal family was the one that, like, had Princess Diana killed?

Nichole [01:06:31] Yeah, it was like a deathbed confession of the assassin that they allegedly hired.

Callie [01:06:38] Yeah.

Callie [01:06:38] And they also released like a one page, one page from an affidavit of this girl claiming, like accusing Jeffrey Epstein and Trump of both, like brutally raping her.

Callie [01:06:52] I’m like, you did this in like twelve hours.

Nichole [01:06:57] Yeah, I know. They like. Yeah. And fortunately I read some of those documents and I do not recommend. Yeah, it’s really disturbing and yeah. But I, I’m just like what’s going to happen because yeah. Who knows. But they’re, they hijacked.

Nichole [01:07:18] I think it is the Minneapolis (it was Chicago!) Police radio and played. Fuck the police over it.

Callie [01:07:23] Yeah that’s right.

Nichole [01:07:28] I’m just like.

Callie [01:07:29] Yeah no it is crazy.

Callie [01:07:32] You, I mean people really don’t understand like the ways in which the police like really have been doing some crazy fucking shit and all of these things, like I watched a video of this reporter and he was like, the cops literally just slash like forty tir- like forty cars, tires, all four tires, and they fucking took down like they shot at and took down a medic tent like which is a war crime.

Callie [01:08:00] Like we don’t allow enemy combatants to do that type of shit in war.

Callie [01:08:05] And yet our police is doing it against us, like, apparently. And I haven’t Googled this, so I don’t know for sure. So feel free to fact check me in the comments. But like, apparently tear gas is even like banned in war. So our cops are just casually throwing tear gas at people during a pandemic. And that’s not even like allowed in a war.

Callie [01:08:29] Yeah, fucking crazy.

Nichole [01:08:32] Yeah. No, their- it’s it’s bad.

Nichole [01:08:35] Yeah, it’s really bad. Yeah. They’re bad to their own people.

Nichole [01:08:38] I mean, if a cop decides to like, you know, try to narc on somebody or turn good, they’re gone.

Callie [01:08:48] And that’s a really good point. I feel like that’s so that’s why we can say with confidence that all cops are bad, all cops are bastards because the institution of policing is bad. If a good cop happens to sneak through and like, become a part of a force, they quickly either get run out of the police department or they get, like, fucked with. I mean, good cops are murdered, you know, by the other cops. They’re like crimes are planted on them. They get forced out. They get disciplined. I watched a video of a cop who started kneeling with protesters and a whole gang of cops, like, came up and fucking pulled him to his feet. And then he started, like, arguing with them and they were all kind of shoving each other. And then he kneeled again and they fuckin picked him up and tossed him. They were like, get the fuck out of here, you know? And they were like taking him away from the front lines or whatever. It’s like they do not allow you to, like, question anything that they’re doing.

Nichole [01:09:50] No. No.

Callie [01:09:52] Like, it creates bad cops.

Nichole [01:09:56] It does.

Nichole [01:09:57] Yeah, well, yeah, it fits. It necessitates you being corrupt to be there. And then yeah, just yeah. I mean, like whistleblowers in general in this country do not have the protections are supposed to have at all. And in an institution that is supposedly about law enforcement. And like, you know, justice or whatever, like the fact that you can’t be honest and speak out against what’s happening or even question it is chilling. I mean, it’s Orwellian. In this country. I just think that this like, again, is just truly bringing to light the shit that many of us already knew in a way that just can’t be denied.

Nichole [01:10:43] I mean, even when I was surprise, I can’t remember which city it was in.

Nichole [01:10:51] But two cops, I think it was somewhere in Minnesota.

Nichole [01:10:54] But two cops were actually fired for what they did to protesters.

Nichole [01:11:01] And, you know, again, I’m not going to give them credit for doing that.

Nichole [01:11:07] But like, it is still kind of shocking. Like that doesn’t happen here ever. But that video is I don’t know if you saw it, but it was the video of the cops who, like, circled that car and like tasered one of the people in it and pulled them out and broke the window to get out then. And they didn’t even they the woman kept screaming like, why are you arresting us? Like, they didn’t even know why they were coming after them.

Nichole [01:11:32] So I guess two cops got all of those cops- there were like fifteen cops around that fucking car. They all should have been fired. But the fact that any were kind of surprising, although who knows, that might have been the the ones they were trying to get them to not do it and just got scapegoated.

Nichole [01:11:50] So I don’t know.

Nichole [01:11:51] All the other cops are involved in killing George Floyd. Haven’t even been arrested or fired yet. Like they literally before they even arrested the cop that killed George Floyd, they had arrested a black journalist, a black reporter. That reporter from CNN, that video that was going viral. He was arrested before George Floyds killer.

Callie [01:12:15] What kind of fucking world do we live in? We’re like, that is possible. He wasn’t even doing anything.

Callie [01:12:21] He could not have been nicer. You know, he was just like, tell him if we’re in your way, if you want us to move. Like, tell us where to move. And all of a sudden it’s like, see, even when you kiss their fucking ass, they do not care.

Nichole [01:12:33] No, they don’t care. They don’t. They’re out of control. They are completely and utterly out of control. And that’s what I mean is I think that that is being documented be- beyond a shadow of a doubt, the things they’re doing don’t make sense unless you have to accept and realize that they are just literally an institution of violence and suppression. They’ve been militarized to be an internal military against citizens. They do not protect us. They do not prevent crime. Name me one fucking crime a cop ever prevents. They don’t protect you.

Nichole [01:13:12] They show up after something’s already happened and usually make everything worse. You know? Oh, my God. Yeah. Brady said not even a warrant for those other three cops like that is- a big thing that set all this off, too.

Nichole [01:13:31] Was the fucking was the governor. Is someone saying that they, like, needed more evidence that the evidence didn’t necessarily point to like a murder? And then the medical examiner’s report came out and was like George Floyd didn’t die of strangulation.

Nichole [01:13:49] And they’re like, we literally have a video of the entire thing happening.

Nichole [01:13:55] And you’re gonna try to tell us that like the evidence is in isn’t pointing towards an arrest needing to be made? Fuckers

Callie [01:14:03] Well, and then today, did you see the report came out. So the Floyd family hired a medical examiner to do their own, like, autopsy and examination. And they came out like conclusively. It was like this is obviously signs of like death, like here it a murder, like it is homicide. He was asphyxiated. I mean, it was like the article is like a fucking paragraph. Like it was basically like of of course, he died this way. We all saw it. Right. Right. And it’s like, yeah. The the corruption of like that medical examiner needs to be fired. Like, it’s all just.

Nichole [01:14:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s completely corrupt.

Nichole [01:14:47] And that’s I heard a caller call in on the Tim Black show where she was talking about Breonna Taylor’s murder and how Breonna Taylor is an EMT and she was saying that that in and of itself is like highly suspicious because the EMTs are like in bed with the police. She’s like they are. And this person used to be an EMT. So she’s like I’m saying from experience that like you’re a part of.

Callie [01:15:14] Yeah.

Nichole [01:15:15] Just like the medical examiner. I’m just trying to say, like, the whole system is together. So for them to go into her house in the first place in the manner that they did and for her to end up dead, like they’re like, that’s weird. Like, it’s weird that that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Just also points to she’s like that’s one of the reasons I left because we were just like another function of the police. You know, you think you’re there to like, truly help people. And then you end up having to like, go along with testifying a certain way or having evidence look a certain way. And it’s like, ugh, so, yeah, all of them need to go and. Yeah. G said, you know, they charged Derek Chauvelin, who is the prime murderer with third degree murder, even though it’s clearly second degree, and that allowed them to not charge the other three. And they think that that’s going to like calm us all down.

Nichole [01:16:12] But it’s not.

Callie [01:16:14] No, it’s not.

Nichole [01:16:16] And I’m interested to see what happens with the movement, because right now the protesters are just asking for these four to be arrested and charged. So, yeah, you know, I’m just interested to see what happens after. Because obviously, we want a lot more than that. Yeah. Yeah. So I’m just curious to see how develops. And it’s in it’s a wild to me that they haven’t given just giving it to them. But clearly they’re they’ve, they know because like you said too, there’s just so many impacting factors like the fact that we’ve never recovered from the 2008 recession. We’re in the middle of a pandemic, you know, unemployment. They just know they can’t give us any sense of power. Yeah. So they’re just going to try to put it down.

Callie [01:17:05] Well and I feel like.

Nichole [01:17:06] Instead of, like, acquiesce to any of our demands.

Callie [01:17:09] I feel like this is also like a test run, too, for them. You know what I mean? Of like.

Nichole [01:17:15] But also for us!

Callie [01:17:17] Right.

Callie [01:17:20] Yeah.

Callie [01:17:21] No, I really do feel like this is them seeing like if they have enough weight behind them, you know, authority and that they have enough of the like, normies scared and respectable enough of their authority that they can get away with this. Like it really if you take a step back and you kind of clear everything away and you just think about the fact of like, how many examples have we seen of police brutality at protests that spurred like that came out of police brutality, like they murdered someone. And they’re just like openly harassing, arresting and shooting at reporters. They’re actively sabotaging and taking down medic tents. You know, they’re actively pepper spraying, tear gassing, shooting rubber bullets. And even there’s some reports of live rounds like actual bullets. Yeah, I believe Indianapolis is where I saw that. And I think someone referenced that in the comments.

Callie [01:18:24] But like, this is it’s a you’d think that they would want to just be like, you’re right, the sacrificial lamb, like, we’ll throw this fucking cop under the bus. You know that one hundred and forty cities wouldn’t have popped off if they had just been like, OK, like, let’s fucking squash this. But instead, they’re like bringing out the fucking military, the National Guard, literal military police, you know, they’re rolling tanks down our street like it’s a fucking war zone, like our government is actively declaring war on us and they are abusing the shit out of people. In San Diego, we had two incredibly violent protests, one in La Mesa and one in downtown San Diego. And they literally had snipers on the roofs like the rooftops of the buildings in downtown San Diego yesterday.

Callie [01:19:17] And it’s like the fuck like. I.

Callie [01:19:23] I can’t even honestly, like, process that. Like, I can’t even put into words how fucking insane it’s like. Most of these people showing up are a bunch of normies that are bringing their fucking kids, you know, like you talked about, like they’re fuckin, you know, people in their capris and their fuckin Keds, you know, they’re just going to like march a mile and then they’re gonna go home, you know, but like Yep, you decided to turn it into like a fucking battle, like it’s a war.

Nichole [01:19:54] Yeah.

Callie [01:19:54] Why!?

Nichole [01:19:55] Well, and I love that it’s considered like a like they just feel justified to do whatever they want to do because people show up at the police station and it’s like, but you barge into people’s homes all the time. You find ways to do it without any justification at all. You pull people off the street. I mean, it’s just, again, that fucking fragility of how weak that kind of power is. I used to tell this story all the time. On the other show. But I literally look at the cops like me when I was in kindergarten and I would run around pinching everyone because I thought it was funny.

Nichole [01:20:39] And then one day someone pinched me back and I realized that that really fucking hurts and that I was being a complete fucking asshole. Only instead of realizing that they’re complete fucking assholes, they just like melt down and then have like this, you know, apocalyptic response. Yeah. And just do anything they can do to have, you know, from having to feel what they’re doing. But, you know, it’s like how you can watch a video of someone who gets arrested for brushing someone’s arm away because that person is manhandling them and pushing them around and literally throwing to them to the ground and they get arrested. And the cop like actually puts you know, if you’re such like a fucking macho bro, you wouldn’t be putting that you were assaulted because someone was like, stop touching me. Right.

Nichole [01:21:26] Not that I buy into toxic masculinity, but it just shows how fragile and like fraudulent the whole thing is. It’s it’s all a bunch of bullshit. You’re a bunch of fucking bullies. That’s why you are going out in this ridiculous riot gear against citizens who literally like have bottles of water and are just there to, like, hang out.

Nichole [01:21:45] And, you know, like, you see every fucking video, police violence was like ten or fifteen cops, six cops, whatever it is, dog piling on to one fucking person who literally was just maybe like trying to get a picture of their badge number, which, by the way, cops have been covering. They’ve also been covering or turning off their web (*body) cams, which is illegal, and they’re not supposed to do that.

Nichole [01:22:10] So these fuckers like and they’re doing this shit in broad fucking daylight.

Nichole [01:22:13] They’re doing this shit with, like news helicopters above them. And people literally one guy that they beat the fuck out of, they literally did it because he was filming them.

Nichole [01:22:24] So it’s beyond.

Callie [01:22:26] I mean, they’re flashing white power symbols knowing that they were being filmed.

Nichole [01:22:31] There’s no decorum.

Callie [01:22:31] It’s like guys.

Nichole [01:22:34] They don’t give a shit.

Nichole [01:22:36] So, you know, this is all come to our doorstep and this is what it is.

Callie [01:22:42] Yeah. Right.

Nichole [01:22:49] What are you going to say?

Callie [01:22:51] Well, so, I was just going to say I kind of feel like maybe we’re wrapping up.

Nichole [01:22:57] Yes. I was also going to say that.

Callie [01:22:59] Ohhh, see two great minds. So I we were going to show a video that’s it’s only two minutes long, but it’s like a bunch of clips spliced together of some of the things that the police did. But I’m just kind of feeling like maybe I don’t want to do that anymore.

Nichole [01:23:15] Yeah, I think we covered it verbally. I don’t think we need to see it.

Callie [01:23:19] Yeah. And I, I’m sure out there the clips that a lot of other people have seen. So I think maybe what we’ll do is we’ll end with a video that we were asked to share widely.

Callie [01:23:30] A lot of people were about just some security tips with going to these protests. So I think maybe we can do that and then we will say good bye and then maybe we can end the podcast’s episode and spend a little bit of time just kind of chatting and interacting with comments.

Nichole [01:23:49] So we won’t say goodbye.

Nichole [01:23:54] We will say end record.

Callie [01:23:56] Yes.

Callie [01:23:57] Well, I mean, like, we’ll do the goodbye for the episode.

Nichole [01:23:59] (talking over each other, indecipherable) Happy hour.

Callie [01:24:00] But like, sort the.

Nichole [01:24:02] Those bitches, don’t need it.

Callie [01:24:04] They do!

Callie [01:24:04] I like it. I want to be. I want to be profesh. So we’ll do the whole like you know.

Nichole [01:24:10] So profesh.

Callie [01:24:11] But like for all, for all y’all watching live you’ll hear us say goodbye but like don’t go anywhere because we’re not done.

Nichole [01:24:19] If you want to hang out. No presh.

Callie [01:24:21] Yeah.

Nichole [01:24:22] Yeah.

Nichole [01:24:23] But we figured part of the stream it would be fun to do a little like happy hour or something for like half an hour after we stop recording to just hang out, catch up on comments, see if you have any thoughts about the episode and any questions you have or you know, just chill.

Callie [01:24:40] Yeah.

Nichole [01:24:41] Keep it. Keep it real cajsh.

Callie [01:24:43] Yes. All right. So I’m going to play the other video right now.

Nichole [01:24:49] So this is a before you hit play. I do recommend watching this if you have the time. I think it’s like less than two minutes, but it talks about how to be safe at protests. It gives a lot of tips. And I think it’s really important. Yes.

Callie [01:25:04] Yeah. And then share it. We’ll have the link in the show notes and then you can share it widely to.

video [01:25:11] Here’s how to stay safe while in the streets.

video [01:25:13] Bring buddies. And don’t let them out of the range of your voice.

video [01:25:17] Write a legal aid number on your body so you can get help if you get arrested. Be sure to know your buddies’ legal names and birthdays. You’ll need these to help find them if they’re arrested.

video [01:25:26] When moving around walk, don’t run. Stick together.

video [01:25:29] Turn off your phone lot in the streets to avoid surveillance of your location. And so as not to have your unlocked phone taken by the authorities or other bad actors.

video [01:25:37] Try your best not to stick out in the crowd. Cover up tattoos with clothing or body paint. Cops will use footage from the protest to try to identify you.

video [01:25:45] Wear clothes that are good for moving quickly. Avoid wearing jewelry and wear close-toed shoes.

video [01:25:50] Wear your mask at all times even if you’re talking to someone in order to guard yourself against surveillance, COVID19, pepper spray, and tear gas.

video [01:25:59] Avoid wearing contact lenses, bring goggles of some kind in case of tear gas or pepper spray.

video [01:26:04] Consider wearing bike helmets as police often cause head injuries with batons and other weapons.

video [01:26:09] Don’t take those videos of people doing anything illegal or with their faces uncovered whenever possible film the cops, not the protesters.

video [01:26:19] Only put water in your eyes. Don’t use milk or baking soda or anything else. Clean water is the safest thing to use at a protest. If possible, bring a water bottle to drink from a water bottle to flush out the eyes of any comrades who are maced or tear gassed.

video [01:26:34] And white comrades are encouraged to follow the lead of black and brown comrades as they bear the brunt of state brutality.

video [01:26:40] Follow Unicorn Riot and Channel Zero Network member It’s Going Down for ongoing updates.

video [01:26:45] The Channel Zero Network sends you all solidarity.

video [01:26:47] Stay safe out there and never stop fighting for a better world.

Nichole [01:26:51] So I really like that a lot. And I’m working.

Nichole [01:26:56] I was hoping to have some stuff out by now, but I’m working on some infographics, to help, that you can put on like Instagram or wherever that can help with a lot of these, like how does like safety for protests, security culture type stuff. You know, I’m working on one that’s like 12 alternatives to calling the cops. So hopefully as I develop these, they help everybody. But I think it’s really important. Something I did want to touch on today, just before we end the show, is to understand again that we these are rebellion’s so that it is important to actually know what you’re getting into and to be prepared. I think it’s really important if you want to be physically involved in terms of going to these these protests, then you should try to connect with local organizations who are actually organizing protests. I know some of them come together kind of spontaneously, but those tend to be the ones that can be more dangerous. It’s it’s better if you can to find who’s organizing stuff. They tend to have leadership who kind of keep people. They just have a goal and they have some organization and they have people who know each other, don’t go by yourself, really look up like what you should bring, what you should have. There’s there’s stuff like it’s very important to turn off your phone or at least turn off, like tracking on your phone. You know, best practices around, like don’t film other people’s faces and then put on social media cause these cops, like there are six people who died, six men who died after Ferguson. Of like suspicious deaths. So the cops, like, literally will will go through footage and will try to identify people and they’ll use facial recognition to do it as well. So this is I’m just trying to say, like, this is real shit. And like, it’s okay to not participate if you don’t know what you’re doing, you should. And you need to, like, know how to go in in a way that’s like organized. You know, no one can promise you safety, but there are ways to go about it where at least like, you know what to do if you get arrested. Right. Like you have people who are on call if you get arrested and you have other people in your group who, like, know who to call for you to let them know they got arrest. There’s all kinds of stuff. So just take it very seriously. Don’t bring your kids to any of this stuff because it’s going to get really bad. And it’s it’s been bad. And yeah, just, you know. Oh, and the biggest one that I heard that I think is is really good. But it’s very scary is if you see someone who’s marginalized and vulnerable getting arrested, do not let them get arrested alone.

Nichole [01:29:45] So if you see a black person who’s getting arrested, if you see a queer, you know, especially if it’s like a black queer person getting arrested, you know, to at least one more person, like optimally like two or three people should jump in and do whatever it takes to also get arrested so that that person isn’t left alone with the cops. You know, obviously, people who have, like more privilege and more protection should make sure that that person. Not arrested alone. So all the say this is real shit and it’s okay if that’s not like something you can do, there’s a million other ways to support what’s happening right now and not just with money, although, of course, that helps a lot. There’s a lot of bail funds going out. And I’ll make sure to have in the show notes. I’m compiling some of that as well. So I’ll make sure to put that in the show. Notes of ways that you can support. There are even things you can do, like you can have food and maybe like if you have a bike, you can go. You can get on Twitter and let people in your area know that, like, you have food and water and supplies and they can just like message you and tell you where they are and you can, like, go drop them off. Like, that’s really helpful. There’s all kinds of things you can do.

Nichole [01:30:53] So take care of yourselves. Be as safe as you can. And yeah, let’s fuck it up.

Callie [01:31:02] All right. Yeah. Well, just a quick little note before we end things. Offish is. I don’t know why I said it like that. I don’t think I’ve ever said that before. Gross.

Nichole [01:31:16] You’re just feeling yourself right now.

Callie [01:31:18] I just really am.

Nichole [01:31:19] You’re out of control. Well, you know, it’s all the like this is all gone to your head.

Callie [01:31:23] It’s the lighting that I have now. And it’s just just like, you know, it’s the whole thing. And I legit forgot what I was going to say.

Callie [01:31:34] We you mentioned it earlier, but I just want to give a quick plug.

Callie [01:31:38] We were interviewed on the Coffee with Comrade’s podcast yesterday. So that will probably come out next week. I believe you said that 9th. We think that will be the schedule unless anything really, you know, crazy happens and they’re able to get someone who’s been, like, involved in the protests on, then we might get bumped to the following week. But that’s really exciting. Go check out the Coffee with Comrade’s podcast. Pearson was delightful and wonderful to talk to and we’re excited to continue working with them going forward.

Callie [01:32:12] And we appreciate you bearing with us with our first live recorded podcast episode.

Callie [01:32:18] We’re gonna start with you. It’s something Nichole has been wanting to do. And I was like, I don’t know.

Nichole [01:32:25] I’m like, let’s do it this week!

Callie [01:32:27] Yeah.

Callie [01:32:27] So this obviously this format was a little bit different than our normal episodes. You know, we didn’t do the news and then do the main segment. Obviously with everything going on, it just felt really important to kind of have this, like, free flowing conversation. I’m sure there’s a lot we missed. Things that we’ll be talking about in the weeks to come, but we just are really touched that so many of y’all like joined us and shared comments and made us laugh and talked some shit and got all rowdy up in the comments and had just a lot of fun engaging with one another. So we’re going to stick around and talk with y’all later. And a note to any of our podcast subscribers. If you want to join in and actually watch the episodes live instead of getting them like days later, you have to wait so long.

Callie [01:33:15] What are you even doing?

Callie [01:33:17] We’re going to be going live every Sunday at noon Pacific time, and then we’ll probably divvy the recording up normally into the different segments and then post them on YouTube throughout the week. So except for the after party, which has yet to be named because we never named shit on time until like years later.

Nichole [01:33:39] What about Bitch Fest?

Callie [01:33:42] I don’t know.

Nichole [01:33:44] Oof. Hard rejection.

Callie [01:33:45] Yeah. I had a name earlier and then I think I forgot it, of course.

Callie [01:33:52] So yeah, we’ll talk about it. But yeah.

Callie [01:33:54] If you want to be part of that then it’s only for those who watch with us lives. So and then we also do weekly town halls Wednesday nights at five p.m. Pacific Time. Yeah.

Nichole [01:34:07] So check us out. More Bitch than you can handle.

Callie [01:34:11] Probably. All right. Yeah. We’ll talk to you next week.

Nichole [01:34:15] Bye bye.

Callie [01:34:16] Bye.

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